325: ‘The Negative Version of Icing on the Cake’, With Nilay Patel

The Talk Show With John Gruber - A podcast by Daring Fireball / John Gruber

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Special guest: Nilay Patel. Special topics: the iPhones 13, Apple Watch Series 7, kids today and the file system, the Lightning / USB-C debate, and, of course, our speculation about next week’s “Unleashed” Apple event.

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