264: ‘Apple Is Not a 4-Star Company’ With Joanna Stern

The Talk Show With John Gruber - A podcast by Daring Fireball / John Gruber

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Very special guest Joanna Stern returns to the show. Topics include Apple’s event earlier this month, the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro, iOS 13, and how we go about writing (and shooting) our product reviews.

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