170: ‘Kicking Dirt on Them While They’re on Fire’ With Ben Thompson

The Talk Show With John Gruber - A podcast by Daring Fireball / John Gruber

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Special guest Ben Thompson returns to the show. Topics include voice control with AirPods, how to get your entire music library onto an iPhone while using iCloud Music Library, Apple Watch durability, the Dash/App Store controversy, the disappointing and frustrating state of Siri and voice-driven AI assistants, Google's new Pixel phones and the strategy behind them, Snap's (née Snapchat) Spectacles (and why they're nothing like Google's ill-fated Glass), and more.

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