Karen Tumulty: The Country Owes Mike Pence
The Bulwark Podcast - A podcast by The Bulwark
Everything would be different if Mike Pence had not counted the votes. He showed courage and faced real potential physical danger. Plus, Biden on Kimmel, Jared & Ivanka's reputation laundering, and Abbott's flip-flop on guns. Karen Tumulty joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
