Episode 17: On listening vs. fixing in relationships

In probably late 2016 or so, here was the general situation in my life: I had been freelancing for about a year at that point. I was actually doing pretty well and making good money, which was a surprise. My marriage was kind of going to shit in different pockets, which was less great. Somewhere in there, probably around that whole Presidential election we’re still dealing with, I connected with a local dude named John Hill. At the time, he had a business called Iron Egg that was mostly about website builds and revisions. We connected on, if I remember correctly, some health care project. It basically bombed on my end; my copy wasn’t long enough for their liking, but the clients didn’t have time to meet with me about their business. We worked on this deal for maybe three weeks and then it just faded away.

Thankfully, Hill is a cool dude, and we’re connected on some platforms, so we stayed in touch here and there. Now he has a company called Adapted Growth and another site called John’s Small Mountain, and this discussion is about sales, relationships, work-life balance, and the importance of getting to the gym -- or getting out of your head for a while -- during the workday. Ironically the day before I taped this, I think I had drank during lunch … and since I taped this, I’ve been pretty consistent about getting to the gym either early morning or mid-day. This podcast is all about shifting lives, you know? Let’s get into the discussion.