[Unedited] America Ferrera and John Paul Lederach with Krista Tippett

“Our discomfort and our grappling is not a sign of failure,” America Ferrera says, “it’s a sign that we’re living at the edge of our imaginations.” She is a culture-shifting artist. John Paul Lederach is one of our greatest living architects of social transformation. From the inaugural On Being Gathering, a revelatory, joyous exploration of the ingredients of social courage — and how change really happens in generational time. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode “America Ferrera and John Paul Lederach — How Change Happens, In Generational Time.” Find more at onbeing.org.