E97: World War 2, Tucker Carlson, and a Right-Wing Critique of Daryl Cooper

In this thought-provoking episode, repeat guests of MOZ Hannah and Steve (both anonymous) return to debate the controversy surrounding Tucker Carlson's Martyr Made interview with historian Daryl Cooper about World War II. They critically examine Cooper's contentious views on Churchill and Hitler, discussing the dangers of historical revisionism from both the left and the right and its impact on modern political discourse. The conversation explores the fine line between challenging historical narratives and engaging in counterproductive provocation, touching on issues of antisemitism, the political alignment of Jewish Americans, and the broader implications for right-wing politics. — SPONSORS: 🎙️ Dealcraft: Insights from Great Negotiators is the brand new weekly podcast that features interviews with world’s greatest dealmakers and diplomats, including Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Blackstone CEO Steve Schwarzman, and music industry super-lawyer John Branca, on their most challenging negotiations. Each episode, host Jim Sebenius (Harvard Business School professor and renowned negotiation expert) relates fascinating deal stories and distills useful insights for listeners to apply in their toughest deals and disputes. Subscribe on all platforms: https://link.chtbl.com/3CG3TbHY?sid=Turpentine 💻 Building an enterprise-ready SaaS app? WorkOS has got you covered with easy-to-integrate APIs for SAML, SCIM, and more. Join top startups like Vercel, Perplexity, Jasper & Webflow in powering your app with WorkOS. Enjoy a free tier for up to 1M users! Start now at https://bit.ly/WorkOS-Turpentine-Network 💥 Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist. — — FOLLOW ON X: @eriktorenberg @turpentinemedia — TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Intro (00:09) Setting the stage for the Tucker Carlson interview controversy (01:10) The core of the controversy: Revisiting World War II narratives (03:00) Holocaust denial vs. edgy revisionism: Analyzing the interview's approach (06:00) The dangers of "transgressive" historical revisionism (10:40) Debunking myths vs. promoting harmful narratives (18:40) Fact-checking Daryl Cooper's claims about World War II (25:10) Sponsor break: WorkOS | Squad (33:30) The broader context: Antisemitism and political discourse (41:30) Examining the political implications for Jewish voters (49:20) The psychology of hate in political movements (57:10) Constructive alternatives to controversial historical revisionism (1:05:00) The self-fulfilling prophecy of antisemitism accusations (1:08:35) Conclusion: Putting the controversy in perspective